Showing posts with label Huskisson Ply. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Huskisson Ply. Show all posts

Thursday, 11 April 2013

Second hemp render test and Plywood Problems

Three weeks after our first render test we got to see the dry colour - grey. Not a successful test. Anticipating, from the colour when wet, that it may not be the sandstone colour we were looking for I sourced some dark yellow river sand from Thomas Landscaping at Lawson and they gave me a small plastic bag of it for free to test out if we liked it. So this became render test two.

Dry Sydney sand render test on left
Dry hemp lime render mix before sand added
 The Australian Hemp Masonry Company, who made the render mix, recommended using river sand but I first tried using Sydney sand (Beach sand) because local river sand in the Shoalhaven is a dark grey, not the colour we were after. I really liked the colour of the new dark yellow river sand, but when mixed with the render mix it got the grey/green look of the previous mix, albeit this time a bit yellower.
Yellow river sand render test showing colour of sand used

I am yet to see the second render test dried, but am ready to give up on the hope of being able to colour the render with sand alone and will now try some oxides. AHMC advise that the hemp wall need to be wetted before the application of the render, this was a bit tricky for our first render test, but for our second render test I used a garden pressure sprayer, of the type usually used for fertiliser. It worked well giving a fine spray of water that meant it was easy to control the area that got wet and how much water was applied.   

Pressure sprayer in front of render test
 Meanwhile work continued on the plywood ceiling. Despite one wall of the front bedroom not being square, we managed to do quite a good job on the ceiling.

Front bedroom ceiling finished
Further work was then stopped as the BB Hoop Pine ply had some horrible blue marks on it. Both on the back and face surface. We looked through the remainder of the pile and managed to find two sheets with which to finish the front bedroom. The rest of the sheets had blue marks that looked like mould, to use it on the ceiling would look like the roof had leaked and the ceiling was going mouldy, not what I paid good money for B grade ply for. 26 sheets had unacceptable blue marks on them.

Blue marks on ply
Stack of blue marked ply
A call was made to the supplier Huskisson Ply late on Friday, but the boss was not in, so no response. Several phone calls later, I finally caught the boss on the following Thursday. I e-mailed off pics of the blue stained ply and they will see what they can do. Between trying to get through to Huskisson Ply I also phoned the ply manufacturer Austral Ply to find out about the blue marks. It seems that the Australian Standard says that they are acceptable for a B grade ply - but who reads the standard! I thought by paying the extra for a B grade that the face would be good enough to use for the ceiling. None of the pics or info on the Austral Ply website mentioned blue marks. Apparently they can come about by the logs being too wet before they are made into ply and starting to go mouldy, while i was told that the ply production  process kills the mould - this does not help the fact that if used it would look like my ceiling was mouldy, not acceptable for a new house. Austral were very helpful and suggested I get the place I purchased it from to contact their supplier and see if they could exchange the problem sheets of ply.  

Meanwhile with no more usable ply sheets, we worked on the blocking that goes behind the express joints in the main room. Whether it was experience or working in a larger room but the work seemed to be getting easier. I have also accepted that nothing is ever perfectly straight in building and that you need to measure the exact location of where each piece goes and cut it accordingly. When I first started the blocking I had some problems skew nailing it with the framing nailer, particularly pushing the nailer in far enough to fire and getting the right angle. Now I can do this with ease, even using my right or left hand.

Blocking for express joints in ceiling
If necessary we can also move on to starting the internal stud walls since the Magnesium Oxide Board finally arrived. We are mostly working on site on weekends so originally booked in for the MgO board to be delivered on a weekday we would be on site. That day arrived and when it had not arrived and we had not heard about the delivery by mid afternoon I made some phone calls and found out that my instructions that the delivery had to be made on a particular date were not passed on to the transport company.

There were many subsequent phone calls as the delivery company could not deliver on weekends and could not deliver without us on sit  as we had to unload it, so because of other commitments we had that meant we could not be on site on a weekday, our delivery of MgO Boards arrived four weeks after we had originally booked for its delivery.

The MgO sheets are 8mm and did not look too heavy, but looks were deceiving, I was only able to carry one sheet at a time together with another person. Further because the truck was side loading it could not go down the driveway, otherwise there would have been nowhere for it to unload. We started carrying sheets down the driveway one by one. This would have taken a long time as we have a battle axe block. Things were sped along when the delivery boys started using a trolley loaded with four sheets at a time to wheel the sheets to the end of the driveway, from where Ben and one of the delivery boys were able to carry them two at a time into the house.

MgO Boards stacked in the house
Why did we use MgO boards - they are breathable, not damaged by water, dimensionally stable, do not harbour mould or mildew, are not eaten by termites, insects or vermin, are non toxic, and I had seen them used on Roger Bodley's hemp house in Tasmania, where they seemed to work well rendered as internal walls, which it the application I will be using them for. 

Tuesday, 12 March 2013

Lock up and plywood ceiling installation

The excitement that we are at lock up is tempered by the knowledge that this means we are about half way through the building process. On Thursday the boys from Rylock came down from Sydney with the double glazed units for the three panel sliding doors, as the doors were too heavy to be installed with the glass in them. Unlike the windows the glaziers were on time, they put the glass in and checked all the locks and opening mechanisms on the windows and by lunchtime we were at lockup.

Glazing in progress
After lunch the 9mm BB grade Austral Ply Hoop Pine plywood arrived from Huskisson Plywood.  The ceiling in the back bedroom had the sheep's wool insulation installed and the joints between the boards painted black ready for the ply to be put up. We cut them to size and painted the edges of the ply sheets black. Where the ceiling abutted the hemp wall I routed a 9mm wide by 5mm deep channel 10 mm in from the edge and painted this channel black, this was so that when we put the 10mm of render on the walls it will come to the edge of the black channel and look like the expressed joints between the sheets, but we will have a fixed edge to render up to.

We lifted the sheets up using a panel lifter purchased from e-bay, we had to get the 16 foot lifter so that we could use it to reach the high ceiling in the main room, but the larger lifter proved a little awkward in the smaller rooms. We did not want large screw holes in the ceiling, that would be obvious even if covered with putty, so we put the ply sheets up with glue and brads using a fix out nailer. My research showed that for a timber to timber joint Bostick Ultraset SF, which is a flooring glue, would be suitable. We bought the glue in sausages and applied it with a sausage gun in a zig zag pattern to the the joists on the inside of the sheets. We put brads in at 150 centres around the edge of each sheet and at 300 centres across the rafters passing through the centres of the sheets. The sausage gun was a breeze to use compared to my stiff old caulking gun, but the flooring glue was not meant for ceilings and was a little runny and if put on too thickly or insufficiently pushed on to the joists it dripped off. The suggestion that I put it on with a 3mm v notch spreader was impossible on a ceiling and abandoned in favour of a simple zig zag pattern. The fix out nailer was fast and east to use and a great way to attach a ceiling. The holes it left were very small, but the brads held the ceiling while the glue went off.

First piece of ply held up by the panel lifter
Applying the glue with the sausage gun
Experience showed that it was best to test each ply sheet to ensure that it fit before putting the glue on, this was after one piece had to be recut after we had put the glue on the rafters and found it did not fit in. We used 9mm spaces to try to get even gaps between the sheets. In reality some of the gaps varied a little, but a 9mm gap was wide enough to hide small variations.

First ceiling done with express joints
The first ceiling done we moved onto the next room, following the same process of blocking out between the rafters where the ply joints would be, painting the blocking and rafters behind the joints black with Resene No VOC paint, putting in the sheep's wool insulation, adding a few staples where the batts did not want to stay between the joists, measuring and cutting the sheets, which was more difficult as some of the cross rafters were not straight and painting the edges of the sheets black. We left the sheets of ply unfinished hoping that the hemp walls will prevent any mould forming on the ply, which appeared to be the only problem with leaving them unfinished.

Stapling in some of the insulation
The first sheet of ply we put up in the second room did not seem to fit. Thinking we had made the hemp walls crooked I got out my angle grinder and trimmed a little off the top corner of the wall only to discover that I had cut the sheet crooked by 10mm. The only good thing was that we discovered that the walls are really strong, but could be cut using a masonry disk on an angle grinder. After this things seemed to be going better until disaster struck. Putting up the last panel for the day the cable in the panel lifter broke and the 3/4 of a sheet of ply fell down. Thankfully we were not hurt and the sheet of ply was not damaged but the panel lifter was beyond help, the broken cable being somewhere in the mechanism that could not be seen. Before I bought the panel lifter I had checked out reviews of the panel lifters on e-bay and most people were happy with them, so I was hugely disappointed that ours broke on its second day of use. Lets hope we can get a replacement.

Since we had glue on the ceiling we then tried to put up the ply sheet by hand, it was heavier and harder than expected. The sloped ceilings made it very hard to push the ply up to the higher side and trying to get the 9mm gap right and hold the ply sheet at the same proved impossible. I thought we had got it in the right place and started putting the brads in only to find out it was way out on the other side where neither of us could see. With about half the brads put in we had to remove the sheet. It was hard work putting the ply sheet down, some of the brads pulled through the sheet while a few were pulled out in the sheet. Thankfully the sheet did not break and we wiped as much of the glue as possible off the back of the sheet and off the rafters, so we could try and put the sheet up again once we have a working panel lifter.

Ceiling in the second room, up to our unexpected stop
Broken cable on the panel lifter