Ceilings and Internal Walls Completed

We had intended to do all the plywood ceilings in the house before the internal walls. However, over three ad a half months ago work on the ceilings stopped when we found that the remainder of our batch of BB hoop pine plywood had unacceptable blue stains. We took up this issue with the local supplier, Huskisson Ply.  After countless phone calls to Husskison Ply that were not returned, we even tried phoning the distributor Gunnersons. We were happy to swap the ply sheets for those without blue marks and even pay for the extra transport costs. After three months (!!!) I finally got a reply from Huskisson Ply that we could return the sheets less a 20% restocking fee. So we would only get back 80% of the cost of the sheets.

We resorted through the remaining 26 sheets of ply and measured and calculated exactly how many sheets we needed and the size of each sheet. We worked out that any sheets less than the full width we could use the back of the sheet, as many with blue marks on the front did not have them on the back, and cut off the manufacturers big purple stamps that were on the back of the sheets. Other sheets with only patches of blue marks we managed to cut around the marks, resulting in a bit more wastage as some sheets we could only use about 1/3 of the sheet.

In the end we returned 13 sheets, but due to careful measuring we only needed to purchase 10 new sheets. This made up for the 20% we lost on returning the sheets. We returned the unused sheets to Huskisson Ply ourselves as we needed to get them out of the house as they were in the way where we needed to finish the ceiling in the main room.

The new sheets came from Mister Ply and Wood at Penrith. I had dealt with Chris Carter from Mr Ply several times over the previous few years and should have got all the ply from them in the first place. Instead I chose to go with an unknown local supplier to save on transport costs and support local businesses where I am building. Since I was only getting 10 sheets I was able to pick them up and transport them to site myself, by trailer, saving transport costs. I was also able to go into Mr Ply and Wood and due to my previous poor experience they let me go through the sheets they had in stock and select the ones I wanted.

Main room ceiling half done

We are very happy with the result. The new sheets of ply have slightly less figure in the grain. In the bedrooms we love the interesting swirls in the ply, it was this unique feature of the wood that made us choose to do the ceiling in ply in the first place. However in the larger main room the less figure in the ply works better as it makes the ceiling less busy.

In the smaller rooms, such as the bathrooms, entry and hall we were originally going to have the black expressed joints between the sheets and put up the blocking and painted it black. However, when we realised that the smaller bathroom would only have one joint we realised that this would look a bit silly and decided to butt the sheets together with no express joint. In doing this I tried to match the machine cut joints together. I could not always do this, particularly where I was using the backs of the old sheets as I had to cut the manufacturers stamps off both ends. So I had to cut the ply very carefully and then sand the cut edge until it was perfectly straight, or as near as I could get it. Not doing the express joints meant that I did not have to paint the edges of the ply black, thus the ceilings in the smaller rooms went up quicker.

For the main room we also chose not to have a black border around where the wall meets the ceiling. This had worked well for the first two bedrooms we put the ceiling up in, but in the third bedroom one of the walls was not quite square and this upset the process of trying to get the black border around the room. This is something we will have to try to disguise with some creative rendering.

Butt jointed ceiling in the smaller bathroom

The ceilings in the laundry and top of the hall were covered in one sheet. This was very neat but required careful measuring as the frame along one of the walls in the back section of the house was not straight.

Ceilings covered in a single sheet

With half of the main room ceiling left to finish, illness in the family, looked like delaying the completion of the ceiling. With very good timing my mate Tony offered to come down and help out on the build for the weekend. Over two days the rest of the ceiling went up like a dream thanks to the panel lifter, the 9mm strips of timber used to measure the gaps, careful measuring and Tony's help. It was truly a joy to look up at the completed ceiling in the main room, reminiscent of Japanese Tatami mats on the ceiling.

Completed plywood ceiling

The internal wall sheeting had previously stopped short of the ceilings so that I could put the ceilings in first. With the ceilings done work continued on the internal walls. I had under estimate the number of screws required to put up the internal walls. The house does not have many internal walls, but some of the internal walls are quite high and the raked ceiling meant that none of them could be completed floor to ceiling in one sheet. The built in robes also required more sheeting that it first appeared. I initially bought from Nepean Boltmaster 1,000  x 30mm  and 200 x 20mm fibre cement screws. The shorter screws were for the sheets attached to the cavity sliding door units as the screws could not go through to the other side of the timber side rails of these units. I then bought 300 more of the 30mm screws. Then another 100 x 20mm and 200 x 30mm and a further 200 x 30mm to finish off the job. That adds up to 2,000 screws.

Almost 2,000 screws used

Internal in walls in bedroom and robe sheeted with MgO Board

Bedroom and robe MgO sheeting completed, in late afternoon sun

Before ordering the MgO Board I had done a rough drawing of all the pieces I would need and roughly worked out what pieces I could get out of each sheet. When I cut each sheet of MgO I cut the large pieces out first and worked out the most efficient use of the remaining piece. This way I used the MgO board much more efficiently than I had first calculated. I will have 8 sheets left over after I use one more for the bath hob. The left over MgO Board will be used for the ceiling of the shed I will build later.

Lock up and plywood ceiling installation

The excitement that we are at lock up is tempered by the knowledge that this means we are about half way through the building process. On Thursday the boys from Rylock came down from Sydney with the double glazed units for the three panel sliding doors, as the doors were too heavy to be installed with the glass in them. Unlike the windows the glaziers were on time, they put the glass in and checked all the locks and opening mechanisms on the windows and by lunchtime we were at lockup.

Glazing in progress

After lunch the 9mm BB grade Austral Ply Hoop Pine plywood arrived from Huskisson Plywood.  The ceiling in the back bedroom had the sheep's wool insulation installed and the joints between the boards painted black ready for the ply to be put up. We cut them to size and painted the edges of the ply sheets black. Where the ceiling abutted the hemp wall I routed a 9mm wide by 5mm deep channel 10 mm in from the edge and painted this channel black, this was so that when we put the 10mm of render on the walls it will come to the edge of the black channel and look like the expressed joints between the sheets, but we will have a fixed edge to render up to.

We lifted the sheets up using a panel lifter purchased from e-bay, we had to get the 16 foot lifter so that we could use it to reach the high ceiling in the main room, but the larger lifter proved a little awkward in the smaller rooms. We did not want large screw holes in the ceiling, that would be obvious even if covered with putty, so we put the ply sheets up with glue and brads using a fix out nailer. My research showed that for a timber to timber joint Bostick Ultraset SF, which is a flooring glue, would be suitable. We bought the glue in sausages and applied it with a sausage gun in a zig zag pattern to the the joists on the inside of the sheets. We put brads in at 150 centres around the edge of each sheet and at 300 centres across the rafters passing through the centres of the sheets. The sausage gun was a breeze to use compared to my stiff old caulking gun, but the flooring glue was not meant for ceilings and was a little runny and if put on too thickly or insufficiently pushed on to the joists it dripped off. The suggestion that I put it on with a 3mm v notch spreader was impossible on a ceiling and abandoned in favour of a simple zig zag pattern. The fix out nailer was fast and east to use and a great way to attach a ceiling. The holes it left were very small, but the brads held the ceiling while the glue went off.

First piece of ply held up by the panel lifter

Applying the glue with the sausage gun

Experience showed that it was best to test each ply sheet to ensure that it fit before putting the glue on, this was after one piece had to be recut after we had put the glue on the rafters and found it did not fit in. We used 9mm spaces to try to get even gaps between the sheets. In reality some of the gaps varied a little, but a 9mm gap was wide enough to hide small variations.

First ceiling done with express joints

The first ceiling done we moved onto the next room, following the same process of blocking out between the rafters where the ply joints would be, painting the blocking and rafters behind the joints black with Resene No VOC paint, putting in the sheep's wool insulation, adding a few staples where the batts did not want to stay between the joists, measuring and cutting the sheets, which was more difficult as some of the cross rafters were not straight and painting the edges of the sheets black. We left the sheets of ply unfinished hoping that the hemp walls will prevent any mould forming on the ply, which appeared to be the only problem with leaving them unfinished.

Stapling in some of the insulation

The first sheet of ply we put up in the second room did not seem to fit. Thinking we had made the hemp walls crooked I got out my angle grinder and trimmed a little off the top corner of the wall only to discover that I had cut the sheet crooked by 10mm. The only good thing was that we discovered that the walls are really strong, but could be cut using a masonry disk on an angle grinder. After this things seemed to be going better until disaster struck. Putting up the last panel for the day the cable in the panel lifter broke and the 3/4 of a sheet of ply fell down. Thankfully we were not hurt and the sheet of ply was not damaged but the panel lifter was beyond help, the broken cable being somewhere in the mechanism that could not be seen. Before I bought the panel lifter I had checked out reviews of the panel lifters on e-bay and most people were happy with them, so I was hugely disappointed that ours broke on its second day of use. Lets hope we can get a replacement.

Since we had glue on the ceiling we then tried to put up the ply sheet by hand, it was heavier and harder than expected. The sloped ceilings made it very hard to push the ply up to the higher side and trying to get the 9mm gap right and hold the ply sheet at the same proved impossible. I thought we had got it in the right place and started putting the brads in only to find out it was way out on the other side where neither of us could see. With about half the brads put in we had to remove the sheet. It was hard work putting the ply sheet down, some of the brads pulled through the sheet while a few were pulled out in the sheet. Thankfully the sheet did not break and we wiped as much of the glue as possible off the back of the sheet and off the rafters, so we could try and put the sheet up again once we have a working panel lifter.

Ceiling in the second room, up to our unexpected stop

Broken cable on the panel lifter